Twin Turbo Exhaust Options

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Looking for info on aftermarket off the shelf exhaust systems for the B4 I came up with the following.
There’s four basic parts that make up the systems:
1.    Headers – take the gas from the exhaust ports on the motor to the two turbos.
2.    Down Pipes – take the exhaust gas from the turbos and away from the front of the car to the rest of the system.   Usually incorporates a Catalytic convertor on the down pipe for the primary turbo and links the two turbo exhausts together at one point.
3.    Cat Back – takes the exhaust from the down pipes where it generally joins into one pipe and takes it to the rear of the car, can incorporate an extra cat and resonator before terminating in a muffler.
4.    Diff Back - usually just the muffler that attaches to the cat back after the rear diff.
Note: There are differences in down pipes for Manual and Automatic cars.  Also there are slight differences between the A,B,C,D revisions of the car that can affect the exhaust.  And finally – the stock exhaust incorporates a butterfly valve that makes it quiet, so changing the muffler will make a big difference in noise straight away.
Zero Sports Exhaust Systems (Japanese website):
http://www.zerosports.co.jp/shop/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=11_15_50_190
Headers:
http://www.zerosports.co.jp/shop/images/0514007.jpg
Down Pipes:
http://www.zerosports.co.jp/shop/images/0517008.jpg
Cat Back:
http://www.zerosports.co.jp/shop/images/0518002.jpg
Diff Back:
http://www.zerosports.co.jp/shop/images/0519009.jpg
Syms, Japanese website:
http://www.syms.jp/products/legacy/bea/ex.html
Headers, converts the turbos to parallel not sequential:
http://www.syms.jp/products/images/le_ex-1.jpg
Down pipes:
http://www.syms.jp/products/legacy/bea/images/le_ex-6.jpg
roob4 had some of these; http://www.ozliberty.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2292
Cat Back:
http://www.syms.jp/products/images/le_ex-3.jpg
Diff Back:
http://www.syms.jp/products/images/le_ex-6.jpg
MRT, looks like a centre pipe and Muffler options, poor information and no pics.
http://www.mrtrally.com.au/shop/cart_detail.asp?prod_cat1=exhausts_sub
Prova:
I know they make items for the B4, but I can't find any info on them at the moment.
HKS Power Silent Exhaust:
http://www.ozliberty.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5842
HiTech Muffler:
http://www.ozliberty.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1412
Trial Tuning Titanium Exhaust:
http://www.ozliberty.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4979
The other option is to go for a custom system.
Places like AMAutos http://www.amauto.com.au/ in Qld have done these before.  And there are plenty of other local to you exhaust centres that are capable of getting you a new system custom built and installed, like the following two examples
HIRISK’s Custom Exhaust:
http://www.ozliberty.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2925
B42.2’s Custom Exhaust:
http://www.ozliberty.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2048
If you know of other options, and can provide me with the links to chase up the detail I'm more then happy to add them in.
Also if you have installed any of these exhausts/systems and I haven't currently linked to you like I have for HIRISK or B42.2, please send me the lilnk and I'll add it as well.
Cheers,
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Geoff is on FIRE!!,

well done..

as said previously,

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Great list of info Geoff.

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i will just jump in here and also say that anyone who thinks going parallel will solve the vod is mistaken.
many aftermarket exhaust systems delete the ECV (exhaust control valve) which is not ideal, when it can be ported etc and 200kw is not out of reach for most TT's with well planned mods and a little push.
good turbo back exhaust and an ECV and turbo entry port and wastegate enlargement is all that is realisticly worth the money, and many places will charge a kidney and then your lucky if they know what they are messing with to begin with.

the primary helps significantly to get the secondary on boost early and when in parallel full boost comes on later and no harder than when sequential.
ecept when the ECV is replaced with straight pipe and then you have mismatched turbos which also leads to lag and poor boost controll.

proper parallel needs 2 identical turbos to work effectively, those of which arent made by subaru. 2 secondarys is very laggy and 2 primarys would not have great top end power.

i know this because ive tried it.

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I know reposts of a sort, but for reference sake, if anyone is feeling patient and insanely obliged to copy and build something not off the shelf? I only know of two Legacy's that have gone this path, a twin exhaust system.

The first is Monolith's crazy matt-black BG5 [REXETA] which runs a parallel set up.

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y236/rexeta/exhaust2.jpg

Note the further crazy step of each exhaust system exiting at the side before the rear wheels!

And one I know a little more about as installed on BG5WRC...

http://adrian.kirk-burnnand.com/wp-content/uploads/adrian/legacy-bg5wrc/n549402843_159644_2435.jpg

Both of these systems in theory were designed for a better separated flow of exhaust gasses, the practical result is negotiable.

And of probably more use some other photos of legacy headers:

http://adrian.kirk-burnnand.com/?page_id=18

Fujitsubo

http://adrian.kirk-burnnand.com/?wpv_file_id=165&post_id=18&file_mode=default&hash=1dbdbe4bf8523f0eda6f526653619999
http://adrian.kirk-burnnand.com/?wpv_file_id=166&post_id=18&file_mode=default&hash=e437c4b9f78aa9c8212e2a09eeec68d5

Prova
http://adrian.kirk-burnnand.com/?wpv_file_id=168&post_id=18&file_mode=default&hash=4595aa4ae2e0a93a7a6ad6a7757829b9

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Adrian

Nce looking setup there. No restriction at all there. Is that 2.5 inch all the way through?????


And who's this monolith????? Got any pics of the beast???? Wouldn't the exhausts coming out from infront of the rear be defectable as feck?????

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The fact that monolith's exhaust doesn't cross over at all, I'd say it'd sound like ass.

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988OXR;163882 wrote:

Adrian
Nce looking setup there. No restriction at all there. Is that 2.5 inch all the way through?????
Specifics are:

- 2.5" Primary dump-pipe with 38mm seperated waste-gate - modified so that its out to 3" once the seperated wastegate joins the main pipe
- 3" Secondary dump pipe
- Twin 3" Flexis
- Twin 3" Hi-Flow Cats
- Twin 3" piping to cross-over and to 2.5" reducers
- 2.5" Cross-over pipe
- Twin 2.5" system from cross-over back
- Twin 2.5" Straight Pipes with 3" tips pictured for motorsport and the sound! smile. Normally Twin 2.5" inlet, 3" tip mufflers.
- And surprisingly managing all factory mount points

988OXR;163882 wrote:

And who's this monolith????? Got any pics of the beast???? Wouldn't the exhausts coming out from infront of the rear be defectable as feck?????
Yes probably, but being a kiwi and living on that side of the ditch and the fact the car is a track car - probably not much to worry about. I 'think' he has possibly sold the car but there are a bunch of photos of the car in his very random photobucket account http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y236/rexeta/ - reverse manifold, front-mount, twin secondary turbo parallel set up, parallel headers, etc.

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What are the differences between the wagons and sedans exhaust setup? Are they the same, which parts are compatible?

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wagons are slightly longer, that is all

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billsy;166604 wrote:

wagons are slightly longer, that is all
thanks, but are the parts compatible? Like ive been told the diff back is compatible but the cat pipe isnt? Is this true?

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as long as they are both TT it will fit, but you may need to change/move a hanger and change the length of the pipe.

also auto and manual dump pipes are different to clear the crossmembers. so best to make sure you get it right, or you may have to modify them
i found this out the hard way.

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BigWillieStyles;166611 wrote:

thanks, but are the parts compatible? Like ive been told the diff back is compatible but the cat pipe isnt? Is this true?
i think it is the dif back that is longer.....as the muffler i have has sedan and wagon part numbers

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legacy rsk;166669 wrote:

i think it is the dif back that is longer.....as the muffler i have has sedan and wagon part numbers
yeah i just got my wagon diff back and the actually exhaust mouth is alot longer to clear the longer bumper. Its possible all the connections are in the same place but if you use the sedan exhaust it may sit to short, almost behind the bumper.

http://f12batchimg.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/users/5/9/2/8/net_recycle_shop-imgbatch_1226393918/600x450-2008092400057.jpg


Ive just got a sports STi muffler tonight, im getting it installed on my car, even though i haven't even got my car yet, still being registered. In Japan this takes time.

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BigWillieStyles;166721 wrote:

yeah i just got my wagon diff back and the actually exhaust mouth is alot longer to clear the longer bumper. Its possible all the connections are in the same place but if you use the sedan exhaust it may sit to short, almost behind the bumper.

http://f12batchimg.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/users/5/9/2/8/net_recycle_shop-imgbatch_1226393918/600x450-2008092400057.jpg


Ive just got a sports STi muffler tonight, im getting it installed on my car, even though i haven't even got my car yet, still being registered. In Japan this takes time.
I've fitted a sedan TT exhaust up to my wagon.  Bolts straight in, the tip just sits 2" shy of the end of the bumper.

I've been thinking about exhausts for a bit, and reading that some WRXs get better bottom/mid torque with3" dump, 3" centre and 2.5" diff back.

How do you think 2.5" twin dump merging to 3" w 3" cat and 2.5" diff back would go?

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I removed my Sti muffler already, it sounded great, but was a bit quiet. Instead, i accidently bought a Fujitsubo diff back. As i put a really low bid on it on yahoo auctions and won it. The Fujitsubo made a significant difference in power, especially from the second turbo. I cant wait to get the rest of the exhaust.

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Apexi boost gauge
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BigWillieStyles;180165 wrote:

I removed my Sti muffler already, it sounded great, but was a bit quiet. Instead, i accidently bought a Fujitsubo diff back. As i put a really low bid on it on yahoo auctions and won it. The Fujitsubo made a significant difference in power, especially from the second turbo. I cant wait to get the rest of the exhaust.

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agreed.. that outback is very nice!
LOL...I know those mistakes!

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BigWillieStyles;180165 wrote:

I removed my Sti muffler already, it sounded great, but was a bit quiet. Instead, i accidently bought a Fujitsubo diff back. As i put a really low bid on it on yahoo auctions and won it. The Fujitsubo made a significant difference in power, especially from the second turbo. I cant wait to get the rest of the exhaust.
LOL...I know those mistakes!

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Many of the links in the first post are broken.

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