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Hi

I am a new owner of a 2001 liberty rx manual and wanted to know the shift points(rpm) and speed for each gear. Currently I shift at 2500 rpm and 3000 rpm (for quicker speed but hear a scraping noise when I do so then it clears at higher revs).

Below are the max speeds for each gear I currently change at:

1st gear: 10km/h
2nd gear: 30km/h
3rd gear: 45-50km/h
4th gear: 60km/h
5th gear: 70km/h

I just wanted to know if I am shifting correctly. Furthermore, I wanted to tune my driving style for fuel efficiency. Do I shift earlier or later and does this affect anything.

I also wanted to know how to take off at traffic lights as I am new to manual driving. Do I keep the rev's constant at 1500-2000 rpm then slowly release the clutch or keep the clutch at the friction point and then slowly accelerate. I would appreciate tips on saving the clutch.

Thanks.

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The instruction manual for your car has these in there. I generally stick to 20km intervals.
1st > 0-20
2nd > 20-40
3rd > 40-60
4th > 60-80
5th > 80-over

If you look in your manual it'll be similar, maybe off by 2-3 ks for each gear. Sometimes when I'm driving on level ground with no one in the car and I'm just cruising down I might stick it in 5th gear when I'm doing over 65-70ks but that's not recommended if the car has load or you're going uphill or something (unless you have a V8). try googling, this is a very basic principal and there should be plenty of articles about it. I've never read any of them I just learned when the engine needs another gear from an early age sitting in the car with my dad. To be honest I hardly look at the tacho...

Taking off is very easy you dont need explanation really, just feel the friction point on the clutch and bobs your uncle. The thing with your car is that it has a very heavy drive train because its AWD so the good news is that anything else you drive after this will feel like a feather.

And congrats on your purchase they're very nice cars to drive smile

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yeh 20k's intervals are fine, the owners manual def has recommended shift speeds, atleast my gen 2 rx did, its basically around the 3k mark. as for taking off, i try my absolute best to take off with the lowest possible revs i can without feeling like im burning the clutch. it should only take a second to have ur foot off the clutch wen taking off, naturally ull ride it a bit going uphill of if loaded but this is normal.

dont look too much into it mate, it all comes with time, ull learn exactly what ur car needs to drive propperly in a few months if that

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You'll probably find that shifting around 3000rpm will have slightly better economy. Unfortunately, a boxer is not a terribly efficient engine. I don't think 500rpm is going to make a great deal of difference for you. When I had the stock engine in I would shift at 3500rpm and averaged about 9L/100km. I could get lower, but it was a pretty boring drive...

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Thanks a lot for your help. I think in a few months I will get proficient. I feel that changing at 2500 revs is better than 3000 revs(fuel economy, etc.), but there is no sense of speed and cars get close to my bumper.

At 100 km/h the engine revs are at around 2700-3000 revs, is this expected due to the 5 speed gear ratios. My previous 5 speed automatic honda would sit at just 2200 revs for a 2 litre. Is the design of the gearbox bad or do other cars have the same issue.

Also when I rev the engine in neutral at 3000 and 5500 revs I hear a scraping noise as if the car has no oil. I have changed the oil and I still get this problem. Is this to do with the timing belt as this is a costly service(around $1000) or something.

Appreciate the support for a new subaru enthusiast(converted from honda vtekking engines to boxer's, still miss the vtec).

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Automatic gearboxes are geared very differently to manuals. Don't bother comparing them.
There is also a lot more to economy than less revs = better. Every engine has a sweet spot in the rev band where the combination of engine design and tune will give you the best economy, and that's where you need to sit most of the time. On a little 4 cylinder that isn't making much torque, this isn't going to be 2500rpm.

The noise you're hearing is quite possibly part of the exhaust shielding that has cracked - it's very common and just needs to be welded back up.

Oh, and I'm not surprised you miss vtec if you're shifting at 2500rpm tongue

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Your avatar contradicts your RX?

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B4Cruiser wrote:

Your avatar contradicts your RX?
I have a liberty rx with a b4 bonnet scoop with 17 inch wrx rims. It makes people with twin turbo's(such as a supra) think that my car is a b4 so they just speed off for no reason looking like a fool. smile

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hmm i'll reserve my comment on that i guess.

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XoN wrote:

Automatic gearboxes are geared very differently to manuals. Don't bother comparing them.
There is also a lot more to economy than less revs = better. Every engine has a sweet spot in the rev band where the combination of engine design and tune will give you the best economy, and that's where you need to sit most of the time. On a little 4 cylinder that isn't making much torque, this isn't going to be 2500rpm.

The noise you're hearing is quite possibly part of the exhaust shielding that has cracked - it's very common and just needs to be welded back up.

Oh, and I'm not surprised you miss vtec if you're shifting at 2500rpm tongue
I have looked online and most of the stuff says that a rattling noise can be heard from the rear of the car(i.e. exhaust related) in regards to the exhaust shield. In my case, the engine revving sound increases then when at 3000 rpm a crrrr! noise is heard and then the engine continues revving correctly with no odd noises when it repeats it again at 5500 rpm. The sound is coming from the front of the car near the engine. I can't understand how an exhaust shield can make this noise at different rpm speeds. Wouldn't the noise be constant and increase if it was the exhaust shield?

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No. The shielding I'm talking about is at the front, to protect surrounding engine bay items from excess heat. You won't hear it from the back of the car, but since it sits about 2 inches from the firewall you'll definitely hear it inside the cabin.

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Thank you for the info. I still would like to know why this noise escalates(from 0-2900 rpm) and then at 3000 rpm screeches, then the boxer rumbling(normal engine noise) continues till 5500 rpm when it is repeated again(screeching). My question is why does it repeat? From another forum a person stated this:

"if you have an early gen 4 it may be fitted with a dual mass flywheel, when it deterioates it becomes very noisy and you would swear it is an exhaust shield rattle, I spent hours trying to stop what I thought was a heat shield, subaru replaced the F/wheel under warranty."

I think that this is more likely to be the cause because uneven wear of the double mass flywheel can cause the repeated screeching. I have heard that this flywheel cannot be machined so is it better to get the same one or just a solid one. I'm just trying to figure out what's wrong because I don't have a second car to use if I take my car to a mechanic. Thx.

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I don't know why, it just does, and it's done it on all 3 cars I've seen it on. It could also be the dual mass flywheel I guess but I've never seen this problem first hand so I can't really comment.

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B4Cruiser wrote:

hmm i'll reserve my comment on that i guess.
LOL !

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Re: Shift points

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Same thing use to happen to my mums car. Changed the clutch and problem solved although I'm not sure if they changed the flywheel to a solid one or kept the dual mass, hope that helps

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