Rough idle Gen 2. Help appreciated!

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Hullo all, I am new to the site and hoping your collective knowledge can help me solve a very annoying problem.
   
  I have a 97 auto sedan that runs fine but for a rough idle.  I realise that rough idles are common and there are lots of explanations for them, but still I thought that others may have experienced the exact symptoms as mine and so may be able to diagnose and help me correct it.
   
  The roughness occurs whenever the car is stopped and in drive.  It disappears in neutral and park.  The roughness is worse when the car is stopped, in drive and the air conditioning on, possibly owing to the compressor cycling on and off.  Again, even with the air con on, there is no roughness when stopped in neutral or park.
   
  My guess is that when stopped and in drive a cylinder is misfiring.  Maybe more than one.  At times the idle can be quite rough (esp with a/c on), and the engine can stumble/throb quite seriously.
   
  One last thing.  Allowed to idle in neutral, the idling speed is around 700 rpm.  In drive it drops to 500-550rpm.
   
  The car has been regularly serviced/tuned but this problem has defeated several mechanics.
   
  I would appreciate any help, even if someone has had the same problem and has been able to eliminate any “causes”.
   
  Based on what I have read, I am leaning towards a damaged fuel injector as the explanation.  But is it possible for damaged injector to show itself at idle but not when the car is in motion, and in drive but not in neutral?  Also, would a damaged injector explain why an already rough idle was aggravated by having the air con on?
   
  Over to you.  As I said, any help would be mightily appreciated.

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being there in drive but not in park or nuetral would indicate its a transmission problem. (im not a mechanic i could be wrong)

have you tried to reset your ECU?

i had rough idle caused by a dodgy coolant temp sensor. but the rough idle went away when the car warmed up and was not affected but being in gear or not, also mine is manual.

to reset your ECU unplug the battery +ve over night (says one hour but just to be safe) and then plug it back up in the morning. start the car and let it run without touching a thing for 15minutes atleast. ie dont put it in or out of gear, dont touch the accelerator, just let it run itself.

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ive also had similar probs in my rx (manual) but mine occours every now and then when stopped at the lights or something it will drop to say around 250 rpm and feel like it almost stalling with its shakes and what not.

would be interested to see if anyone can shed some light on this matter.

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I'll give resetting the ecu a try.  It would be nice if it proved that easy.

I have considered a transmission problem but don't really know enough about them to narrow it down at all from there.



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Checked for fault codes?

Idle air control valve (IACV) maybe?

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Yep.  Checked for fault codes but thre weren't any.

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+1 transmission.

when you say rough idle, do you mean the car shakes?
or do you mean the engine idle is rough?

the transmission fluid may be old or maybe another transmission fault.

ny auto genII has body shake when stopped in drive as well. i have put it down to transmission, and maybe even engine mounts??? anyone else?

good luck

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LE7SGO;168019 wrote:

ive also had similar probs in my rx (manual) but mine occours every now and then when stopped at the lights or something it will drop to say around 250 rpm and feel like it almost stalling with its shakes and what not.

would be interested to see if anyone can shed some light on this matter.
if it goes away when the car is warmed up then it's a problem with the coolant temp sensor... i have this exact problem, but i'm just ignoring it, seen as i'm replacing the engine soon...

if the car always does it then i'd suggest adjusting your idle so it sitting a bit higher... 800rpm is the norm i believe

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Blaeven;168062 wrote:

if it goes away when the car is warmed up then it's a problem with the coolant temp sensor... i have this exact problem, but i'm just ignoring it, seen as i'm replacing the engine soon...

if the car always does it then i'd suggest adjusting your idle so it sitting a bit higher... 800rpm is the norm i believe
it usually happens when its cold but it doesnt happen that regulary i'd be saying once every 2 or so weeks other than that it idles around 750 - 1k. ill be taking all these possibilities into account then when i work out which one is the prob then ill act and hopefully be able to fix it.

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Thanks guys. The idle is a little rough normally but can shake quire seriously with the aircon on.  It does not go away when the engine is warm.  In fact, the amount of roughness is pretty well the same whether the engine is warm or cold.  Only having the aircon on aggravates it.

I have ruled out the engine mounts and vacuum hoses.  That's why I was leaning towards the fuel injectors.  Of course, there could be multiple causes.

It seems that others have the same or similar problem to me and are prepared to live with it.  I don't want to give up on it yet!

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if its anything lke mine, it gets worse under load, which would account for the a/c making it worse. I had to change my coil packs to do this so I would at least consider getting yours measured before you start changing injectors. Not sure why it would sort itself out when you move on, I would be inclined to think that the fault is still there, but masked by higher revs. When you press the lpedal does it hesitate or cough before revving??

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Hey bud, juding from what you have said I would say you have a dirty or u/s air idle speed control motor. This would account for your rough idle (loss of rpm) in drive gears & especially when the a/c is on. The AISC should also bump up the rpm when you turn the steering or any load is put on the engine, eg thermo fans etc. Over time the valve can become blocked with carbon resulting in poor function, remove valve & clean with carbie clean then lube with crc or similar. If still no good the valve may be stuffed & need replacing. See it fairly often on EFI cars at work, hope this helps. Regards Jon

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CRUISN;168034 wrote:

Checked for fault codes?

Idle air control valve (IACV) maybe?
Hey sorry cruisn, just realised you said about the air idle speed motor. Enough beers for tonight, haha...Jon

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