When did that penny drop?

Well honestly, i think it depends were you live, im in a smallish town, and the cops arent too bad here. i've been pulled over for speeding, once or twices (65 in a 60 ect) and never fined for it.

it all depends on your Attitude. but no doubt there are some arse holes out there.

Hmm up here i get the reverse. Most p platers are well behaved, all the Fully licensed drivers tail gate, and then nail it past at 140kmh when they get to an over taking lane.

Just drive sensibly and the police won't have a reason to pull you over. Whether you are on your "P's" or not is besides the point.

Seems to me that they are targeting people with fully hektik cars that are being "hoons". Suits me to a tee really.

Unless you fall under this category I would focus your attention on something more important, like laughing as you drive past dudes in Skyline Station Wagons that have been pulled over by the coppers!

^^^ been there done that.

dont be a smart arse and your pretty much right, the people there targeting dont have enough brains to keep there mouth shut.

Yes sir, No sir. goes along way.

but what does sh1t me, is being tailed by a cop, and then being pulled over for no other reason, other than i have a P plate.
thats Harrasment, and i should have the right to punch out the offending officer.

This is always going to be a very charged topic.

As you know I see both sides of the story every day.

It's funny to read peoples posts as you can tell who are the young ones, and who is older. This is not reffering to anyone on here in particular but it's funny to hear the bulls**t that comes out of some peoples mouths as to their justification of why they did what they did.

It really all depends on the police officer that pulls you up. Some love their traffic offences, some don't and I'm one of them. Highway patrol are there to help save lives, and if giving you a ticket for being a dickhead makes you wake up to yourself then great. Yes I agree they are revenue raisers if they want to get people on borderline tickets, but that is the power they have and if they want to, then great go for it.

I hear all these stories of people getting harassed by police, and this and that and it makes me laugh. We all hear one side of the story on the internet that a cop did this and that and that all police are f**ked, but let me just say it couldn't be further from the truth. I see on a daily basis the complete lack of respect some people give to police for doing their job. Police are expected to cop abuse, yet an office worker getting abused is BAD BAD, call the cops.

I hear people yelling out stuff as you drive past and trying to look cool, and trying to beat police off the line to then get pulled up and hear "you can't get me for taking off too quick", and it's always funny to see when I say that their wrong and now their car and their licence will have a black mark....easy. Piss police off and they can make you day crappy. Be nice, and respectful and own up to what you did, and it's generally a keep it down see you later.

With defects too. It doesn't matter if you car is totally stock and nothing done to it, you can still be defected. It doesn't matter if you have engineers papers in the car, it can still be defected. Under legislation a police officer does not have to know if you car is legal (It helps). It is up to the driver to prove the vehicle is legal by taking it with a defect to an authorising authority etc. So the attitude test plays a MASSIVE part.

Heaps of people speed, some drive just over, some go mental. Yes it's fun, yes it can be dangerous but there is a time and a place.

The thing with the video in the first post. As I have said before don't believe the s**t you see on tv. 90% is BS, literally. They twist everything to make a story sound better, no matter who it screws over. Police were not 'targeting' people in there. It's the ones that come out onto the street and drive like a f**kwit, are the ones who will cop it, and sucked in.

It's always funny when people criticise the police for not doing their job or for doing it too well but as I always say, you do it, and then have an opinion on what it's like. So easy to sit on the outside and say the Police should have done this or that. Police are human, they try to make everything better. When you see the crap they put up with from everyone one night, and then get called for their help the next night, it's funny to see the people who are just hypocrits.

I love my car, I love my job, I love driving and I love peoples excuses....especially when you catch them out.:victory:

End of rant:bye:

Personally I think P platers whinge too much.
I'm a P plater, and yeah it sucks that we get such s**t publicity, but I DO so a lot of terrible P plate drivers doing really stupid sh1t. Mind you I also see a lot of full license holders doing even stupider sh1t.
I've been on my P's for 3 and a half years, and I've been RBT'd 3 times, and pulled over 0. Yes, I give the car a bit of a run sometimes, but I don't drive around with the pedal on the floor all day unlike many P platers I see.
And I agree with the above points, I know a few cops and they put up with a lot of crap from people like getting spit on for trying to break up a fight, so I think being polite and giving them the respect they deserve will be a nice break for the cop, and they'll [hopefully] treat you nicely in return.

XoN wrote:

And I agree with the above points, I know a few cops and they put up with a lot of crap from people like getting spit on for trying to break up a fight, so I think being polite and giving them the respect they deserve will be a nice break for the cop, and they'll [hopefully] treat you nicely in return.

I agree Luke, I've seen and heard about this too it is definately not good. No one should have to put up with that crap.

SkoobyGT - Thank you for providing your input and opinion on this I actually find it very interesting and I agree with what you say in regards to the media. To be honest, I see cops driving around near me and it is almost like they are trying to intimidate `hoons` or young people in the way that they behave, turn the spot light on and stare, circle around you just stuff like that. With all that sorta stuff, and the media and stories you hear it does give the Police force a very negative reputation. Having had to deal with the police on a few occasions (including being assaulted) all the times I have had to do this the officers I have dealt with have all been very professional and friendly and I have returned the same attitude and gratitude back to them. I can also appreciate that if you give a cop attitude and basically treat him like an arse, well then you're gonna get the same back plus a nice inconvenient fine - if you are nice and as you said, be cool about it if you are in the wrong and realise that hey - the guy is just there trying to protect other people as well as yourself then you will end up with a much more pleasant ordeal hehe.

I must say it is good having an officer on the forum, now I'll just watch what I post up and say on here hehehe :-)

Yes I know that you would be able to tell the younger people from the older `more experienced` people based on arguement, but that is some of the problem. The younger drivers whilst some of them are just bone heads and want to oppose anything like this - some of us actually have valid points and feel as if they are totally disregarded due to us being younger and that the `Adults` are always right. I don't think that there is anywhere that we can actually bring up and discuss these points with the RTA / Police force.

SkoobyGT it would be great if you wanted to come along to a meet in the future, would be great having a chat and hearing some more of what you have to say.

To be honest it never ceases to amaze me how the police have such a negative rep. when I deal with anyone from there (as I said), as it has always been very easy and pleasant, hell I even call the officers mate hehe :-)

Right,

/rant off
/suckup off

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Edit:

iOrion wrote:

Rightttt?

Suprise, suprise... Police doing what they are supposed to be doing.

Keep under the limit and you wont have a problem with your RX.

Sorry had a few too many vodka's last night was a bit spirited about this whole debate, hahaha.

Police SHOULD pull up p-platers for being p-platers..  breath-test them, check for defects etc..  that, to me, makes perfect sense..  if you're not doin anything wrong then you aren't going to get in trouble are you?  If you disregard the law at that early stage of having a license fkn oath you should be BANNED..

As for the video and topic of hoons out in the suburbs, did you hear how many they caught offending? 

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Think of how much damage a car causes crashing into to a person (young or old) at even the speed limit, let alone over it..

Yes but you see, then they would only concentrate on P platers and miss the fact that it is not just P platers that are the problem.
#1 problem (as I see it): Commodore drivers.
Whether they are P platers or not, this lowly crowd of lager louts cause more problems and acco's on our roads then any other group I reckon.
I reckon that the percentage of full license holding drivers that break the law (speed, recklessly drive etc..) wouldn't be too far off that of the P platers one, maybe the same or more. Point is P platers get the media exposure, we cop the bad name even though its a smaller group of P platers that cause the problem.
Even if someone has been driving for a number of years and hold a full license, they still can get frustrated or road raged, or just be in a hurry - drive fast and lose control of the car and not know how to control it. There are some situations where younger drivers may be able to avoid a situation due to lower response time and better reflexes. If the younger driver is a P plater and has done driving courses, well then they perhaps aren't a greater risk than a yobbo in a commodore who is 40 and coming home from the pub.
Just the other night in Penrith I saw a guy leave panthers (driving) and he ran up on the curb and continued to drive, then drove off it and almost side swiped my mate's skyline then he continued on speeding and wobbling all over the road. It is not just us P platers that are bad drivers and it feels like all the fingers are being pointed at us.

SkoobyGT wrote:

Dylanf I am not a dog, and I'm easy to get along with:victory:

Some of the regulars have heard my "stories" at the Sydney meet ups, it is a job with variety and is so much fun. It's the only job I have ever had that I would do for free....yes seriously.

Haha I love listening to cop stories My girlfriends father is an ex cop and I love just sitting around at a BBQ listening to him put a hilarious spin on every story :victory:

SkoobyGT wrote:

With defects too. It doesn't matter if you car is totally stock and nothing done to it, you can still be defected. It doesn't matter if you have engineers papers in the car, it can still be defected. Under legislation a police officer does not have to know if you car is legal (It helps). It is up to the driver to prove the vehicle is legal by taking it with a defect to an authorising authority etc. So the attitude test plays a MASSIVE part.

i'll start this by saying i am young (21) and had no speeding fines on my p's (and just one recently)

that statement bothers me, if a cop is defecting a car he should know whether it is legal or not, otherwise they shouldn't be allowed to defect a car. how is it fair for a random cop that has no idea to slap a defect on the car just because he feels like it... if by that statement you mean that if something doesn't look right (ie low tread, lights out etc) then defect it that is fine. but a completly stock straight car shouldn't be forced to go to the authorities to justify that there is nothing wrong with the car... how much of a waste of time is that? there are cops out there that love their power and it makes them feel special or whatever... that, if your statement is true, can just defect a car for the hell of it. and i think that isn't right.

i think that 99% of the police do the right thing and do their job well, so this isn't a dig at the Police or anything. personally i have never dealt with a wanker or d!ckhead of a cop, all i have dealt with have been polite and professional, but as in all cases it only takes the minority to bring the rest of the group down...