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Totally stock with the exception of a www.pulseracing.com.au tune and a K&N High Flow flat panel filter. Excellent gains in drivability with big increase in low and mid range torque. Power went from about 106 to over 160 KW at the wheels.

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Where do I go next in terms of power? I was thinking of an intercooler upgrade. What do you guys think?

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Add the 'MyRide' App to your profile and list your mods mate.

If the above is all the mods, I would suggest an exhaust setup.

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Decent, free-flowing exhaust, and possibly a mild turbo upgrade.
take power up to ~180KW ATW
Stock cooler should be able to support that power quite well, but an upgrade to something like the Process West units, is not a bad thing for extra cooling capacity

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Robbks wrote:

Decent, free-flowing exhaust, and possibly a mild turbo upgrade.
take power up to ~180KW ATW
Stock cooler should be able to support that power quite well, but an upgrade to something like the Process West units, is not a bad thing for extra cooling capacity
As far as I can tell the stock turbo is a IHI VF38, is this correct? What would be the next bolt on upgrade considering it is a twin scroll turbo? Thanks.

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throw the TMIC into the bin.

Go FMIC.

Easy kw there.

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regashi wrote:

throw the TMIC into the bin.

Go FMIC.

Easy kw there.
How much more power does a FMIC provide over a TMIC? Is there any increase in turbo lag? I would think a FMIC costs a lot more...?

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Turbo upgrade from VF38 (=16T comp wheel)-->TD04HLA-19T-8.5 -->VF36(twin scrolled VF30)or VF37(twin scrolled BB VF34)
As you have an auto more inclined to go for compressor wheel upgrade only (ie 46.5/60mm) the turbine wheel has a 52mm inducer so the upgrade is just on the 15% rule..
If your TMIC has reached it thermal max (that can be weather temp dependent)then upgrading to a larger TMIC or FMIC will make a difference to your present tune.If not maxed then IC upgrade will make little difference.The benefit of IC upgrade is downstream with improved turbo,exhaust etc and want to run a more agressive tune.The larger IC will be able to handle a greater thermal load the FMIC > TMIC.
The other option to IC upgrade is to consider a water injection kit.

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Thanks Anachronox.

So what you are saying is that I can get a bigger compressor wheel put into my existing turbo. This may be a dumb question but could you please tell me who does this in Sydney? I am sure putting a bigger compressor wheel would be much cheaper than buying a new turbo. What effect does a bigger compressor wheel have in terms of reliability and longevity?

I thought I would upgrade both the exhaust and intercooler and this will probably be done before a turbo upgrade.

I have never heard of the 15% rule and a quick google search does not get any results. Could you explain it to me or direct me to an explanation, Thanks.

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I have all my turbo work done by MTQ Australia in Adelaide.They do have a workshop in Sydney.
The existing compressor wheel on the IHI VF38 has the same trim as a TD04-16T wheel 43.4/56mm.
Upgrade to IHI 46.5/60mm compressor wheel.The same wheel as IHI VF30/34/35/36/37 turbo.
The disparity between the compressor wheel exducer ie 60mm should not exceed approx 15% of the turbine wheel inducer VF38 is 52mm (52+7.8=59.8mm).The VF30/34/35/36/37 have 52mm inducer turbines.
Reliabilty and longevity should not be compromised. This is a non BB or a thrust/sleeve bearing turbo.
If you upgrade the compressor wheel then it is wise to rebuild the turbo at the same time.
A rebuild kit for the VF38 for $90 delivered.

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Thank you Anachronox. I have learnt more about the technical aspects of turbos from your posts than just about anywhere else. I have spoken to the MTQ guys in Sydney and they can put garrett internals into my existing turbo which will give it about 15% more flow. How this translates to power at the wheels...who knows? Also the cost would be approaching 2K.

I have decided to talk to my tuner about an exhaust and bigger FMIC or TMIC first. It all depends on cost and ease of installation. Obviously I am going to try and maximise bang for my buck. But an exhaust and improved intercooler should push me to over 180kw at the wheels. I don't really want to go too much further than this as I have the auto transmission. For a family car 180kw at the wheels should be enough.

If I go for a FMIC it should give me more power but does it increase lag? There seems to be a lot of conjecture over this.

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Regarding costing:
Remove turbo and put it back in -> DIY or approx $300 with Subaru.
Compressor wheel approx $100
Rebuild kit $90
MTQ to rebuild and high flow compressor housing and VSR new wheel $200
The 2K price?
The FMIC has an increased volute from the turbo to the Throttle Body. This has to be charged up to boost approx max delay is .25 sec.This can be reduced if using smaller intercooler or custom piping (usually shorter piping than found in pre-made kits)
A TMIC upgrade is the simpler install and cost effective option since you are not upgrading the turbo.
If there is issues with heat soak in summer you can always add waterspray kit.
Alternate to the TMIC upgrade is a  water injection kit.

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Thanks Anachronox. I had not thought of either an TMIC waterspray kit or water injection. I thought that water injection was really only for very high compression engines and not for general street machines like mine which don't generate that much boost (ie around 15psi).

I think that I may just start with a turbo back exhaust. My question is will the car need a retune to run safely and generate more power with a new exhaust?

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Your present tune is integrated with your existing exhaust back pressure.
Full turbo back exhaust will signficantly reduced the back pressure.
A retune would be essential to optimize this.

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