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hey guys im new to this forum and was wondering if i can have your advice smile at the present moment i own a 99 liberty and was thinking of upgrading to a later model impreza or liberty up to 07 (budget wise) i was just after some veteran subaru owner, opinions as to which one would be better and if there are better year models over the others common problems with certain models etc i will be looking at N/A due to red p's sad

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hey dude man the law suks aye haha ummm i depends on how the car has been treated before hand ive got a 97 lib wag it was drove by an old man for the last 3 years so it runns reaaly well dont no much bout imprezas but idd think the same thing apllies

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The mechanical bits are all basically the same. To me, the Libertys have a nicer interior than the Impreza. They're also less likely to have been thrashed by your fellow P platers thinking they're in a WRX. If I had my time over, I'd still buy my Liberty over an Impreza.

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I'm no "Subaru Veteran" but I do have a lot of experience with different cars and I've driven a lot as well. I agree with XoN. To me Liberties are something else, I highly rate them. The 2.5L models have their fair share of problems tho so be careful, theres a thread here somewhere outlining those, If I were you I'd stick to the Turbo or the H6 models which don't have these problems. Or go with the Impreza but try to get the Turbo WRX models if you can.
Since your on your red P's and cant drive Turbo I'd try to find a clean 3R-B with low ks and a good service history.
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milo what is a 3R-B? abbreviation? i was origianlly thinking of buying a turbo liberty and removing the turbo to replace with a steel plate but investigated further only to realise the abudance of performance problems and engine problems can occour is there any year models which are better (less problems)or anything like that?

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Its hard to say LibZ, if you provide more information about what you're after it would be easier to figure things out. Why don't you start by telling us what you're after, the price range, auto/manual etc and any other detail relevant...
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LibZ wrote:

milo what is a 3R-B? abbreviation? i was origianlly thinking of buying a turbo liberty and removing the turbo to replace with a steel plate but investigated further only to realise the abudance of performance problems and engine problems can occour is there any year models which are better (less problems)or anything like that?
HAHAHA God are you for real?

3RB's are 6cyl Liberty's which are perfect for p plater's wanting more power then the 2.5 4cyl's

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Wow just had a look on redbook the powers is pretty good dont think its at the wheel but for stock its impressive my only major concern would be fuel consumption? 12.1 per 100 and that would be at best so im assuming these things guzzle the fuel anyone own one of these?

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Mine was around 11-13L Urban driving.
If your budget stretches that far and don't like the crappy 5speed 2.5i ones then go for it and you wont care about fuel consumption.

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Just go out test drive everything you can. It's the only way to decide and then make a happy decision. No one's opinion or voice should change on what you want.

The specB's are what $4-5 grand more?

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@milo, something N/A, leather seats possibly sunroof? has some get up and go whilst being comfortable if i was to get one i wouldn't mind putting on a muffler so i hope that the h6 will still put out the nice tone the boxer engines have but i am now very intrigued about this 3.0RB sounds like a winner

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The 3.0R-B uses equal length headers, so it will not give you the boxer rumble without changing the headers. It will sound more like a porsche, very sad I know.

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LibZ
Sounds like 3Rb is indeed for you, you'll really need to test drive one to see how it is, only thing is fuel consumption is a bit more than the others which you probably won't care about later on. And you wouldn't need to change the muffler its perfect the way it is. Its the same engine used in the Porsche Boxter.
If you look around long enough you can find a clean one going for anywhere around 17-25k these days. And remember never buy a used vehicle without getting a full inspection by an independent experienced mechanic no matter what the cost of vehicle is or how honest the seller seems.

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Very sad that it doesnt sounds like a rex?

In my opinion the H6 sounds different but incredible. Not like every 3rd car that flies past. I miss my 3.0L sound
3RB all have sunroof and leather so you won't have trouble their.

Milo i wouldn't same its the SAME engine but similar design to the Porsche Boxter

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Sorry that was sarcasm Hamish wink I quite like the EZ30 with a good exhaust on it, sounds great.

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ive done some research with this car and its amazing the only problem is if i was going to spend this kind of money i realised i cant garage it. so instead i was thinking going an 2001-03 liberty but i wanted leather seats and sunroof? do they make early model with thos specs cos i couldnt really find anything

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Special edition and Heritage came with leather. sunroof's are hard to find in the gen3's (special edition only). Test drive both. The gen 4's were such a jump up in style on the interior.

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@LibZ
As Hamish has said, the Gen4 are a lot more refined but let that take nothing away from the Gen3, but it looks like you own one now anyways so why the change??? you'll be buying the same car again...
the Gen3 liberty special edition have the sunroof and also the momo steering wheel (the steering wheel is VERY nice). The ones with Leather interior are heritage models which are automatic, i have a manual RX with heritage leather which is rare but If you look long enough you might find one with leather interior. Let me also tell you that anyone that gets inside one of them with full leather interior is never disappointed. But if you're looking for an upgrade then you'd probably wanna go with Gen4, definately the H6 models as I wouldnt consider the 2.5L models an upgrade from what you have now and you might be stuck with the same mechanical problems present with the engines and their clutch/flywheel especially if it hasnt been looked after adequately and driven hard on a daily basis.
Hope that helps...

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all of this infomation helps milo my problem is that my current car has 200,000 k's on it and ive had nothing but problems cv boots transmission and now the steering rack seems to have something wrong with it sad so i wanted to get the same car but in a bit better condition, the 3.0 rb's are going for 24k and i cant justify paying that much when i cant garage it and look after it completly so hopefully i was looking 2.0 or 2.5 whichever has less problems with leather/ sunroof and i wont have to worry about getting a scratch if you get what i mean smile

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If that's all of the problems your car has you'll find that fixing them is a lot easier and cheaper than selling and buying again. If it has other major problems that aren't worth fixing or cannot be/expensive to diagnose  then I could understand smile. I've seen these cars with well over 200ks on the clock and you will probably never find one these days with less than 100ks on the clock and when you buy the same car again you probably find it has he same problems again. Used cars are usually always being sold because there are problems with them. Leaking CV boots are common on all cars especially AWD, and are fixed with $50a pop. Gearbox/transmission can also be replaced with a couple of hundred dollars...
Having said that, if you want to sell and buy another Liberty, cannot drive turbo and cannot garage a 3rb then all I suggest is keep looking for a clean GenIII with low Ks, preferably a special edition one that comes with a sunroof and a sexy momo steering wheel or one with heritage leather, bargain your price down and BE prepared to have head gasket problems later one so have $2000 handy. Then when it happens you would have fixed it and spent the money on a car that's worth fixing.
Personally if I was in your shoes with your circumstances I'd look elsewhere or another manufacturer...
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Headgasket? I thought they were only troubles with the gen2 2.5L with the DOHC.

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Headgasket? I thought they were only troubles with the gen2 2.5L with the DOHC.
yeah that's a common misconception. Gen II had the DOHC phase 1 engines which developed internal leaks and the Gen3 has the SOHC phase 2 engines which develop external leaks only and aren't as nasty. Its the same as some earlier Gen4 Liberties, a good chance they will have it too if not maintained properly, the problems will be showing up as time goes by and they get a bit older. thats the 2.5L NA ones of course.

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thanks for the info milo i was under the impression that if i bought a model 2-4 years older it would be better then continously fix mine aka the steering rack (which is yet to be fixed more $$$$$) and the auto is gutless thats the only thing i dont like about my current car in regards to the CV boots there cheap to do, i did them myself on my current car. You do make a standing point milo about investing in another car with problems i just thought the later the model the better it would be to buy thats all im a little sadened now haha

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please dont buy a subaru. Go grab a e36 318i and put your full sik chrome on it and candy purple paint. We dont need any more fuckwits driving subarus then there already is.

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is this guy for real piss off go get a life and dont call people fukwits on here it sorta tells people ur a COWERD

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