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So hey, I'm new around here: hi! Pretty cool forum!

I stumbled across this place whilst looking for information on the engine cooling system of my 2001 Liberty RX Wagon (EJ25). I've had the system flushed but it evidently hasn't cured the overheating problem which occurs after about 30 minutes of driving around. I'm suspecting it may be a faulty waterpump, however I'd appreciate some help in locating it and possibly some advice/hints/tips on replacing it, or in fact if there is something else I should be looking at first. I'm fairly mechanically savvy and after the amount I was charged for the simple radiator flush, I've decided to have a crack at this myself.

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Are the fans operating normally? May just be the radiator has had its day. I would buy a Koyo and see the change of radiator as an upgrade.

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Yeah the fans seem to be running fine. Surely old mate at Natrad would have taken any opportunity he could to get more money out of me though if the radiator was a bit suspect? It'd really suck if it was the radiator because just 2 weeks ago I left a job where we supplied spares to smash repairers (incl. radiators) and I could have gotten it really cheap.

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Is it overheating in traffic or while driving?
You need to get on top of out pretty quickly or your at risk of damaging the head/ head gasket. You need to remove the timing belt to get at the water pump. I'd check the thermostat and cap first. How many k's has it done?

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It seems to just do it after 30+ mins of driving, either in traffic, on the highway, or a combination of the two. Thankfully it's not occurring too often and I'm aware of the risks so on a few occasions I've had to stop for 20 mins to let it cool (making a  45 min trip take over an hour). It's not leaking/losing coolant either, just overheating. It's done 160k kms so I've still got a bit to go before looking at the timing belt. I'm new to these engines (I've only ever worked on old Toyota and Holden engines, none of this fangled computer stuff!) so some help in finding the thermostat would be helpful.

*edit* It's probably actually just my experience with these older engines that made me suspect the water pump to be honest. I don't really have much else to base it on

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Hi, try this First make sure there are no air locks have a hunt around here you will find how to bleed your system if still hot
then buy a new radiator cap if still hot buy new thermostat then i would look at the water pump but last resort as $20 and some time could stop you from wasting time if its not the pump.  Mine 03 b4 but i did have heating prob after putting new coolant in because it wasnt bleed properly

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As said above air will cause overheating issues. Have you recently changed coolant. I'd try bleeding the system  (facing the car up hill sometimes helps) then the cap, then the thermostat. I think on your motor if you drain coolant and take off the bottom radiator house (engine end) you should find the thermostat, that's also the base of the water pump.
If they don't work then you may have bigger problems. The fact its overheating while on the free way is a worry, in fifth doing 100 there should be ample water flow and airflow through the radiator.

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ILuvLibby wrote:

As said above air will cause overheating issues. Have you recently changed coolant.

Yep, just had NatRad do a flush and coolant change for me (and I will not be paying someone to do such a simple job again, no matter how much more convenient it is for me) so surely they would know not to leave air in the system!?


in fifth doing 100 there should be ample water flow and airflow through the radiator.

So signs are pointing to radiator? Or more dastardly, like the pump?

I've found also that when it's heating up, say I'm at traffic lights and it hits 3/4 on the temp gauge, when I take off it drops back to 1/2 for about 30 secs.

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How is the overflow bottle looking? does it fill up every time it overheats?

is there any black sooty coloured stuff on the bottle (not necessarily floating or anything)

go to the mechanic and get a TK test done. it checks for exhaust gasses in the coolant.

this is known to be an issue usually with EJ25D engines (gen2 rx,heritage, outback with quad cam) but it has been known to affect a few early gen3's although slightly different it could be a head gasket situation.

i dont know about anyone else but mine would heat up in traffic and if i accelerated hard it would spike within a minute but on the highway (not climbing hills) it would be ok unless i was low on coolant)
as far as the thermostat goes, only go OEM imo, most are designed to fail open but there are a few cheap nasty ones that dont.

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I didn't want to mention heads and head gaskets. The 2.5's are prone to failure in that area. dohc motors are likely to crack and sohc  in gen 3's blow the gaskets. I'm in the process of changing my 2nd set of heads in 6 months. My gen 2 head cracked about 180000ks and the gen 3 blew the gasket at about 130000 ks. Get a mechanic to check your radiator, they use a type of dye that reacts with with exhaust gases.

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I wouldn't say the DOHC's are prone to cracking.. in all the ones I have done its always been a leak on the passenger side exhaust leaking into coolant and let me tell you one of those blocks was well and truly COOKED! and the heads still were fine, you can clearly see where the gasket has failed. this is due to the shitty factory gasket they used.. they revised the gasket to a MLS (multi layer steel) gasket and that fixes all the problems there.

the SOHC get a external leak usually, this is usually pretty easy to tell from the tell-tale white stains on the bottom of the block where the coolant drips and dries.

usually its not too bad as long as you keep the coolant up.
but it is still possible there is a internal as with the DOHC's

but lets not get the OP panicking lol, it could still be a thermostat (and if your are smart you will collect all the fresh coolant into a CLEAN bucket and re-use it. it's really easy to change the thermostat.

bottom radiator hose connects to the thermostat housing, remove hose from thermostat side.
remove thermostat housing.... it is 2x 10MM (maybe 8mm) bolts, they are quite long though. DONT round them! slightly tighten then loosen them, because of where they sit it can get a bit dirty there and they tend to not want to come out easily at first. once that is off you will see the thermostat, pull it out, (TAKE NOTE OF THE POSITION OF THE HOLE ON THE OUTER RIM, this allows small bubbles to pass through and also lets the water flow a bit when the thermostat is not open (only tiny amount i think its just for when the car is cooling down so that it does not build neg pressure)) if it goes in the wrong way bubbles can sit there (well thats what i was told)

if you are doing this yourself i would hazard a guess that you know what to do from here.

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Hmmm... looks like I've got a Saturday project lined up then. Might as well do the oil/filter whilst I'm at it too, just to completely fill my Saturday up

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Well, courtesy of a death in the family and a pressing need for me to travel the 750km to Coonabarabran tomorrow morning, I brought my weekend project forward and did it thisafternoon. It was remarkably easy. I really wish I had remembered to do a photo tutorial. Anyway, I guess I'll find out tomorrow morning at about 3 whether it was the thermostat or not: stay tuned!

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Happy to report it was the thermostat. Although, there's a chance that air bubbles contributed too because I ended up putting more coolant back into the system than I took out, making me suspect that maybe it wasn't done properly at NatRad. They had turned the climate control off so they probably didn't do the 'turn the heater on and run it until all the bubbles are out of the system' trick as suggested here

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Can you tell me which way the thermostat goes. Its the only think I didn't note before pulling the engine apart. I know top from bottom obviously, I just need to know the orientation. Cheers

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Erm... I actually don't know what you'd call the top and what you'd call the bottom per se so all I can tell you is that the longest end of it goes up and in towards the water pump. The bubble hole thing was towards the front of the car also (in case you needed to know)

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