How Crap Are Liberty's...

  Top of Page

My bro has just imported an EVO 7.  He just called APC to get a quote on some mods and was quoted $6k.

This included:
engine management
manifold
Trust TD06
ext gate
upgraded front mount and piping

With the above mods, it will supposedly make 298kw atw.  You cant do that to any subaru i know of...lol.

Drivetrain is apparently unbreakable so no mods needed ther, and his car comes with a decent 3inch zorst already.

SUB4RU
useravatar

Posts:  988

Status:  Offline

Re: How Crap Are Liberty's...

  Top of Page

Yeah, you deffinately get your money's worth and big bang for your bucks when you throw cash at an Evo or Skyline.

I rekon you could probably throw double that at a WRX STI and still have a bit of a rough time trying to get those figures.

[J]
useravatar

Posts:  1042

Status:  Offline

Re: How Crap Are Liberty's...

  Top of Page

but remember an evo 7 was nearly 70k new if not more...

alexxx
useravatar

Posts:  3499

Status:  Offline

<Image link><Image link>
Gen2 liberty RX wagon. now with boost!
15.633 - N/A
???.?? - Turbo
[color="Red"]"4"[/color]

Re: How Crap Are Liberty's...

  Top of Page

He told them he is after 11's, they replied with  "this package will get you there easily although it may need upgraded injectors"...all street legal still too.

SUB4RU
useravatar

Posts:  988

Status:  Offline

Re: How Crap Are Liberty's...

  Top of Page

What's his insurance going to be like compared to yours though? wink

XoN
Site Admin
useravatar

Posts:  5024

Status:  Offline

V7 STi EJ207 powered 1998 Liberty RX Bilstein Edition
MyRide

Re: How Crap Are Liberty's...

  Top of Page

40,XXXkms on the clock - $33,000...bargain with $8k suspension package already on it and $3k full exhaust.

Insurance will be less for him cos he is over 25, and even so, i think his insurance will be less as i have heaps of mods.

SUB4RU
useravatar

Posts:  988

Status:  Offline

Re: How Crap Are Liberty's...

  Top of Page

wow that is big bang for your buck. If you can handle sitting in the interior that has got a fit and finish that doesn't even come close to that of a liberty then it would be ok... I don't think there is much doubt though that the EVO's are a better performance sedan then Subaru.

befour
useravatar

Posts:  1778

Status:  Offline

"6"If You Want More Inch's, Stroke It
:beach: :butcher: :Diablo:
[color="Yellow"]"4"[/color]

Re: How Crap Are Liberty's...

  Top of Page

SUB4RU wrote:

40,XXXkms on the clock - $33,000...bargain with $8k suspension package already on it and $3k full exhaust.
Insurance will be less for him cos he is over 25, and even so, i think his insurance will be less as i have heaps of mods.
I have to admit, even though I love my Liberty, I'd much rather be driving an Evo IX :ohmy:

XoN
Site Admin
useravatar

Posts:  5024

Status:  Offline

V7 STi EJ207 powered 1998 Liberty RX Bilstein Edition
MyRide

Re: How Crap Are Liberty's...

  Top of Page

cheap power yes.

good looking car. No

i'll take my liberty anyday!

rxliberty2000
State Rep
useravatar

Posts:  3857

Status:  Offline

2000 Liberty GT-B

Re: How Crap Are Liberty's...

  Top of Page

My Brother just bought an EVO9 in Canberra(living there ATM), and is loving it. His is bog standard with the luxury pack. He says it hammers, but he says mine goes a fair bit stronger than his in normal driving.
New EVOX isn't supposed to be cast iron block or closed deck, so I don't know how that will go when it comes time to do serious power mods.

fatcat67
State Rep
useravatar

Posts:  3264

Status:  Offline

Past: MY00 WRX
Past: 02B4 Now with EJ257, Goodbye my love :cray:
03XT Fozza (wifey's)
02RX Liberty (peak hour punter)
91Gen1LX(track toy)
[color="Red"]Subiholic[/color]

Re: How Crap Are Liberty's...

  Top of Page

fatcat67 wrote:

He says it hammers, but he says mine goes a fair bit stronger than his in normal driving.
Tell him to stop driving normally :suicide:

XoN
Site Admin
useravatar

Posts:  5024

Status:  Offline

V7 STi EJ207 powered 1998 Liberty RX Bilstein Edition
MyRide

Re: How Crap Are Liberty's...

  Top of Page

I agree (not just liberty's but subies in general), my next car's guna be an evo or gtr I think.

I can get around 250-270kw atw with 10k poured into mine, however on stock internals it's not the best thing to do. And stock 5 speed as well.

My mate ran an 11.90 in his VL last week haha, only 250rwkw on street radials. For the money spent noway you'll get a wrx running those times. He thinks low to mid 11s with decent tyres on it.

Also saw a lancer gsr on sat night with around 240kw atw, fried up all fours easily and sounds more discreet compared to the subaru's burble. In a relatively light car too.

So unless subaru pull something out of the hat i'll probably jump ship. Probably an evo 11 will be out by the time my finance is done.

JET
useravatar

Posts:  527

Status:  Offline

Re: How Crap Are Liberty's...

  Top of Page

JET wrote:

My mate ran an 11.90 in his VL last week haha, only 250rwkw on street radials. For the money spent noway you'll get a wrx running those times. He thinks low to mid 11s with decent tyres on it.
An 11 second VL is still a VL...

XoN
Site Admin
useravatar

Posts:  5024

Status:  Offline

V7 STi EJ207 powered 1998 Liberty RX Bilstein Edition
MyRide

Re: How Crap Are Liberty's...

  Top of Page

Two different cars for two different markets.

sleepergtb
useravatar

Posts:  81

Status:  Offline

<Image link>
MY07 Diamond Grey GT Spec B

Re: How Crap Are Liberty's...

  Top of Page

XoN wrote:

An 11 second VL is still a VL...
I totally agree.

Just pointing out the fact how hard it is to get power of the subies without spending a packet. Gearbox + weak bottom end there's 15k you've gotta spend to hold pretty much anything over 240kw. 2jz's have run 1000hp with stock internals and the 6 speed getrag running in 8 second cars. The rb26 is fairly strong with oil issues which can be solved with a baffled sump, rb30 can handle a bit as well.

JET
useravatar

Posts:  527

Status:  Offline

Re: How Crap Are Liberty's...

  Top of Page

At least compare like to like i.e. Evo whatever to a Wrx STI

Don't bother comparing and Evo to a Lib, different cars for different tasks.

geoff_tewierik
useravatar

Posts:  506

Status:  Offline

MY03 Liberty B4

Re: How Crap Are Liberty's...

  Top of Page

SUB4RU wrote:

My bro has just imported an EVO 7.  He just called APC to get a quote on some mods and was quoted $6k.
This included:
engine management
manifold
Trust TD06
ext gate
upgraded front mount and piping
With the above mods, it will supposedly make 298kw atw.  You cant do that to any subaru i know of...lol.
Drivetrain is apparently unbreakable so no mods needed ther, and his car comes with a decent 3inch zorst already.
I know a guy that has broken 2 six speed EVO boxes, but not Subaru ones. Although their 5 speeds are stronger, they're still breakable.
Mate the engine is a dinosaur, cast iron, of course it'll take some power, and they use bigger turbo's standard, hence higher stock power outputs.
But now, when the EVOX comes out I think the playing field will even out a bit more.

fatcat67
State Rep
useravatar

Posts:  3264

Status:  Offline

Past: MY00 WRX
Past: 02B4 Now with EJ257, Goodbye my love :cray:
03XT Fozza (wifey's)
02RX Liberty (peak hour punter)
91Gen1LX(track toy)
[color="Red"]Subiholic[/color]

Re: How Crap Are Liberty's...

  Top of Page

In one of those high performance dvds you see them break the gearbox of a new evo quite easily. Also getting a car to run 11's down the quarter is hard,i know someone who spent 25k on a lotus and it only runs 12's.

But in saying that im selling my rex and my next performance car will prob be an evo

SD_
useravatar

Posts:  112

Status:  Offline

The Wagon Syndicate Member #15

Previous rides
1998 Bilstein liberty
MY00 Impreza WRX
MY04 Forester Xs
MY05 Liberty 3.0R (Current)

Re: How Crap Are Liberty's...

  Top of Page

Drove an EVO 8 with 220kw ATW's.. all it had was an exhaust, CAI and tune.

What a monster! :ohmy:

milkman
useravatar

Posts:  556

Status:  Offline

David :)

MY02 Subaru Liberty RX
100% Stock :grin:

Re: How Crap Are Liberty's...

  Top of Page

Its currently getting complied, should be here next week.  Once that is done, he is taking the evo and im takin my lib to the track to see wat happens.

SUB4RU
useravatar

Posts:  988

Status:  Offline

Re: How Crap Are Liberty's...

  Top of Page

SUB4RU wrote:

My bro has just imported an EVO 7.  He just called APC to get a quote on some mods and was quoted $6k.
This included:
engine management
manifold
Trust TD06
ext gate
upgraded front mount and piping
With the above mods, it will supposedly make 298kw atw.  You cant do that to any subaru i know of...lol.
Drivetrain is apparently unbreakable so no mods needed ther, and his car comes with a decent 3inch zorst already.
you cant compare that to a liberty..yeh thats sounds like a good package but wat cooler n engine management?

if u put these into a sti.. i am pretty sure u can beat the evos...  evos r known for their oil leaks n also not that strong gear box compare to the sti

crazyed
useravatar

Posts:  283

Status:  Offline

MY00 WRX 180kw ATW:beach:
MY99 Liberty STI 175kw atw:new_russi

Re: How Crap Are Liberty's...

  Top of Page

Only a flash tune that APC provide themselves, unsure of cooler they use.

SUB4RU
useravatar

Posts:  988

Status:  Offline

Re: How Crap Are Liberty's...

  Top of Page

how does the evo7 compare to the 8?
is the 7 more hardcore?

james179
useravatar

Posts:  223

Status:  Offline

Re: How Crap Are Liberty's...

  Top of Page

I think the evo 7,8,9 are all very similar altho tuners prefer evo 9s as u can adjust the stock cams apparently.

SUB4RU
useravatar

Posts:  988

Status:  Offline

Re: How Crap Are Liberty's...

  Top of Page

If you break anything in an evo, you are up for big dollars.... more than subies.

Im currently looking at evo's, skylines 33's and 34's, supra's, Rx7's, silvia's....... ALL OF THEM

My wife has given me open slather on what i buy. Just aslong as i can get a baby seat in the back.

So here's and interesting question for all of you.

What would YOU buy out of this list. And why??

* Evo 5,6,7
* R33 GTR
* R34 GTT
* S15 Silvia
* Series 6,7,8 Rx7
* Series 2 Supra TT

I have been told by alot of people, some with no real knowledge and some beeing mechanic's and some beeing mechanics that are mates and would tell me no sh!t. The car out of that list that stands above all for reliability and power and down right awesome car is the......... RZ TT supra.

MMMMMMHH Thoughts!!

Daniel

B42.2
useravatar

Posts:  850

Status:  Offline

"Yep B4 Goneskis":Dance:

MY08 Wrx in the hands....... jury still out on what is better!!:help::beee::secret:

Board Info

Board Stats:   Total Users: 12431  Total Topics: 19479  Total Polls: 12  Total Posts: 151087915  Total Posts Today: 6
User Info:   Newest User :  Beans GT   Members Online: 1   Guests Online: 92
Online 
murfb4
Generated in 0.86 sec. Queries: 184
RSS - Subscribe to ozLiberty feeds Twitter - follow our tweets MySpace - Join our groupFacebook - Join our group