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Hi guys,

I have been reading through a heap of these pages as I'm looking at buying a B4 and they've probably given me more questions than answered a lot.

There has been some talk of JDM imports. What is the difference between these and the Aus delivered ones?

I realise the AUDM model has been retuned to allow for 98 RON fuel, and that everyone seems to say to have a tune regardless, but this would also effect the JDM models too wouldn't it?

Is there any benefit buying one over the other?

Is there any issues with insurance of an import?

There has also been talk on the pages about getting exhausts done, but in a lot of the stuff I had read about the stock models it seemed that there was some reasonably complicated sensors in the stock exhausts. Are there any inherrant problems with doing this?

Need someone who is familiar with these to fit the exhaust or can be this be worked around when getting a tune?

A mate of mine has had some tuning work done by Chiptorque on his 03 WRX as a friend of ours is sponsored by them in the ARC. Any recommendations in using or not using them? Any results from some basic tuning from them with or without mods?

There also seems to be a lot of issues with pinging. Is this mainly in stop start traffic? I live in Bundaberg and it's a pretty warm climate, but the car should mainly be driven on open roads (80 - 100km/h). It would only have to sit at lights for about a five minute run over about 5 km when picking the kids up from daycare and then back into free flowing 60km/h traffic before the final 80km/h run home for about 10km.

Do you think this would be an issue?

Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.

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My advice would be to stay away from a twin turbo B4 if you dont know much about them. The TT setup is fairly complex and most people will end up converting to single turbo anyway. Most mechanics & tuners arent interested in working on the TT setup at all. There is a B4 for sale on this forum that is already converted to a single turbo STI engine. Be a good buy. Take it from me, I have a JDM gen2 legacy GT that is currently having the same conversion done with a version 8 JDM STI engine. Total cost of the conversion will be just under $8K, and thats being done by a private installer. Be alot more if you go to a workshop.

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If you can get one, the Legacy (JDM) will be significantly better than the Liberty (AUDM). For starters the imports are chock full of features that the local models did not get: electric seats, moon roof (for GTB wagons), folding + heated mirrors, a tune that doesn't suck.
The reason you see a lot about pinging is because the Liberty's tune for Aus was not so good. Those with imports seem to report much less of it, despite the tune being for 100 RON.
Insurance with the import will be higher, but you shouldn't have trouble finding someone to insure it.

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Don't listen to the TT haters champ smile
I bought one without any knowledge of twins, and have learnt lots and love my beast. I'd only ever had a rex before it, but the twins are awesome.
I've spent $800 on it since I bought it on a really good tune and a diffback and totally love it.
No it's not your awesome power delivering car like a single turbo, but if you drive one and love it, go for it.
There are tuners out there that actually enjoy the challenge of twins, to the point where I feel that the tune I currently have is completely safe.
At the end of the day, yeah, a JDM would be better, but have a drive of an AUDM and see what you think.

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I run a JDM 2001 BH5 GTB E-Tune.  I self imported it six years ago, as the second owner with only 10k on the clock.  I ran it in Japan for a while and it was brilliant on 100ron, with STI air filter and high grade motor oil.

Since running it in Australia I've noticed a slight drop in power on 98ron, but she still runs sweet.  No issue for me with pinging, and gotta agree the TT is smooth.  When the second turbo kicks in as speed grows it really delivers.

As XoN said the little JDM extras are nice - black blue leather (on a black polished car it looks great), electric drivers seat, folding mirrors, and programmable door handles to unlock as well as self locking if you unlock but don't open.  I've added some extras in Japan, ZeroSports parts, earthing kit, STI pedals.

Insurance is more expensive for grey imports.  In my experience used to only be Shannons who would touch it, now NRMA and other majors are worth asking.

All in all, JDM is my recommendation.

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Check the recent threads, someone asked a similar question yesterday about b4s. I have a JDM, biggest benefit for me is that I can have the wagon and the B4 in one. Also the JDM seem to be less likely to ping (mine doesn't). But the local B4s are probably easier to insure and have the leather interior (most JDMs only got half leather).

Others have had their B4s tuned with chiptorque. I have a 3inch catback and havent encounted any issues with sensors. They are a good car, but they do have most of the power band in the top of the rev range which can mean you really have to rev like crazy to get that big smile you want.

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Thanks guys.

I'm not really worried about the TT as I'm not exactly planning on pulling out the Sidchromes and stripping it. Just plan on possibly an exhaust of some sort (will look into further when the time comes) and a tune to match.

The couple of cars I'm looking at for the moment are AUDM B4 and have the leather and pretty much everything else I'm really interested in anyway apart from cruise standard (but one of them had this installed by Subaru when bought new). I'm trying to get a drive of one this week but there are only two for sale in QLD at the moment that I've seen and the closest one is about an hour away.

They're both highish kms (140K and 160K) but one standard and one minimal tune. If I do end up blowing it I'll look at conversions or whatever the easiest and cheapest options may be.

I sort of put it down to with an exhaust I will need to get a tune anyway so no big difference between JDM and AUDM.

I was more so wondering if the type of driving I'll be doing is less likely to cause pinging as a lot of the posts said they felt it was from heat soak.

If I do still get a bit might a more efficient TMIC be enough to help?

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I'm near the Sunshine Coast, bought mine as my first Subaru and Turbo car. I do try to avoid driving it on super hot days (35deg plus). If anything, avoid the early AUDM B4's. Mines MY03, done 7k since I bought it last year. They are an aging turbo car, I say drive a couple and see what you think. I haven't touched the motor or exhaust. I've done other bolt on mods though tongue

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If you do end up getting a stock TT, just make sure you factor in the cost of a proper tune into the total cost.

As much as I like the B4, have you looked into the Gen4 GTs as an alternative?

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Looking into it at the moment.

Saw a Spec B in Melbourne. Bit of a stretch in the budget but will have to work on the minister of finance. My wife is also my bank manager which can be painful at times.

Working on a couple of deals to propose to her. It's probably $10K more than I had hoped to spend, but may keep it longer and they seem to be a much more comfortable car. I might not get to drive it as much too if she likes it!

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tsg wrote:

If anything, avoid the early AUDM B4's. tongue
Why's that? Is there a consensus that they may not have been tuned correctly when new to the Aus market?

Other reasons?

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just remember that the replies your getting here are all from TT owners wink

if it were me spending that money i'd be looking at a gen 4 gt. what you lose in JDM goodies you make up for by moving to a newer model.

i had a jdm legacy GT (i found insurance was no different for the import over my liberty btw) that was converted to single turbo and also a gen 2 liberty that i did a turbo conversion to using a tt half cut. it lasted two weeks before i pulled it all out and converted that to single as well.

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Rossnall wrote:

tsg wrote:

If anything, avoid the early AUDM B4's. tongue
Why's that? Is there a consensus that they may not have been tuned correctly when new to the Aus market?

Other reasons?
No other reasons! They are quality cars.

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BlackGTB wrote:

As XoN said the little JDM extras are nice - black blue leather (on a black polished car it looks great), electric drivers seat, folding mirrors, and programmable door handles to unlock as well as self locking if you unlock but don't open.
LOL AUS b4s are black/blue leather(some imports are not) electric drivers seat and if brant is fitted YEAH it relocks itself
so quoting that as JDM EXTRAS is false
about the only extra is folding side mirrors(wank factor)
and i dont think in oz we need heated mirrors

programmable door handles to unlock - never heard of them please explain

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My B4 locks if you unlock but don't open. As you say, the only extras on a JDM model is the rear window wiper, and folding mirrors? I believe. Some models had a stereo that also played minidiscs.

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You can program the handle so that if you fiddle with the handle in a certain sequence, it will unlock the door.
There are a number of other JDM goodies other than those above. Plus you can get a GTB if you want a wagon.

I'm with Aek. The gen4 had a twin scroll turbo so it's power delivery is not exactly terrible, without having to live with VOD. Much nicer looking body IMO too.

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subiB4 wrote:

BlackGTB wrote:

As XoN said the little JDM extras are nice - black blue leather (on a black polished car it looks great), electric drivers seat, folding mirrors, and programmable door handles to unlock as well as self locking if you unlock but don't open.
LOL AUS b4s are black/blue leather(some imports are not) electric drivers seat and if brant is fitted YEAH it relocks itself
so quoting that as JDM EXTRAS is false
about the only extra is folding side mirrors(wank factor)
and i dont think in oz we need heated mirrors

programmable door handles to unlock - never heard of them please explain
We have both of the mirror features on our Jackaroo and the folding mirrors are very handy on a brick of a car like this when you get into a 100 zone. The heaters are good too if there's a bit of dew on the car in winter (I'm in Qld remember) and it's been parked outside. Not that the new car will be left out if possible.

But yeah, definitely not going to be a deal breaker if these aren't on there

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aekOne wrote:

just remember that the replies your getting here are all from TT owners wink

if it were me spending that money i'd be looking at a gen 4 gt. what you lose in JDM goodies you make up for by moving to a newer model.
+1

May cost you that little extra $$ now, but in the long run probably better for you with less hassle.

Tho can't agree with Xon about the Gen4 looking better! big_smile

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Sorry, gen4 series 2 is easily the best pick of the Liberty shapes.
Guess you'd have to have some strange tastes to pick a gen3 in the first place though.... big_smile

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haha well, it did take subaru 3 generations to get a half decent looking car... tongue

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folding mirrors are very handy on a brick of a car like this when you get into a 100 zone

LOL

Insurance company : so why did you merge lanes into another car didnt you see it
Owner             : nah had the mirrors folded to save fuel

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I like my electric mirrors, nice little touch. I put them in whenever I park the car. Have to agree with Kev, the 3rd gens retained the subaru personality, while the 4th gens just look like a mix between a ford falcon and a honda smile

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My B4 locks if you unlock but don't open. As you say, the only extras on a JDM model is the rear window wiper, and folding mirrors? I believe. Some models had a stereo that also played minidiscs.
I believe the locking system in the JDM is programmable by that you can program the handle so you dont need the keys to open the car smile While it depends on the model, there are heaps of differences between the aus and JDM cars including the extra power. Mine has adjustable HIDs and privacy glass. The biggest difference is that the GTB wasnt offered for sale in australia. So only the JDM offers the a turbo wagon package.

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B4Cruiser wrote:

aekOne wrote:

if it were me spending that money i'd be looking at a gen 4 gt. what you lose in JDM goodies you make up for by moving to a newer model.
Yeah go the Gen 4 if you can mate.  I've had a B4 and while it is a great car and i had heaps of fun in it, and even miss the Turbo kick that the twin scroll smoothes out, i love the zero ping in 40 degree heat and that the Gen 4 for has overtaking power from 2500rpm not 4000rpm.
The b4 system is also very complicated and i would suggest that there is not a lot of mechanics around who would know how to fix them properly.

However i do still miss the B4 when i see one on the road, until i remember all the tiny vacuum lines i had to clean out to still not fix whatever problem it had mad

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I'd like to see a re-incarnation of the B4 (B6?) at some point in the future, 3 (maybe 3.6ltr) twin turbo, GTR style.

Should take mine for a spin this afternoon. Most B4 owners have a love hate relationship. After going for a drive I always fall in love again. When I was shopping a Gen4 GT was over 25k, and I only had 15k to spend. Not wanting a loan I went for what I could afford at the time, and I think that is what it comes down to in the end. Other than an ECU tune, if its not broken don't fix it, I wouldn't buy a B4 to modify the engine knowing what I know now.

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+1 with Hawks reply.  For everyday driving, as what I believe yours will be used for, I'd much prefer the low-mid range power of a single in lieu of top end of the TT.


tsg wrote:

Other than an ECU tune, if its not broken don't fix it.....
But in a B4, it won't take long till something does break! wink

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