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Hey guys, another turbo Legacy (Wagon) driver in Adelaide

Running the VF 20/21's at the moment, saving up the money to convert to a single VF34 and a FMIC with Adelaide Turbo Services on Marion road.. With plans to send it to Graham West for a Vi-PEC ECU and Dyno if (when?) it needs a tune to get it running right on a single turbo system. In the meantime the car is off the road *sigh* so im busying myself looking for supporting mods like STI inlet plenums and catch can systems online.

I tried to upload some pictures of my pride and joy but when i went to upload them to an album i got "Error" 406 at the very end of the upload.. so if you know how to get around that i'll get some pictures up asap!

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Sounds like a nice ride! You could always chuck your images on photobucket or something like that if you're having trouble.

EDIT: The image uploader should work ok now.

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Welcome mate, looking forward to seeing some nice pics big_smile

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Hi guys, got some pictures up of my ride in my profile now.

Spoke to Adelaide Turbo Services again today, im going to bring my car down (on a tow truck *sigh*) at the beginning of October. In the meantime i suppose i'd better try and get all the overtime i can to pay for it all.

Co-incidentally i need to find a front mount kit that will let me keep my driving/cornering lights so if anyones got some sugestions PM me and it'll be much appreciated.

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A blue gen 2, the best kind!

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I have heard bad things about ATS. A friend of mine had their gen 2 single converted there. It cost them a lot of coin and the job was only half done. All the best with it. I just sold a flipped front mount that would of been perfect for you... will keep my eye out.

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What do you mean by "half done" precisely?

I can see how it might happen, he's been very adamant that he only deals with turbos and wont touch engines atall.

He seems to think that if we're running a VF34 on about 14PSI we should be able to get my beast back on the road without a tune/computer as the VF34 spools quickly and will produce similar running conditions. Though im thinking i probably shouldnt really put my foot right down until i've got the ViPEC ECU in there, though, again, from what i've heard the legacys run rich compared to their aussie brethren.

Fingers crossed i guess, at the moment it's been 7 months since i've driven my car, i get jealous of hearing the spool noise on bus'/trucks it's been that long, so im ready to try my luck on a single conversion, i suppose the worst case scenario is if it doesnt run without a tune i gotta go without for awhile longer while i save for an ECU... or the car is started for the first time since the conversion and the engine goes kaput straight away i guess. hmm

- The wagons will inherit the earth

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Take it to S&J. Get it done properly the first time.

They would be the ONLY place in SA i would trust with a job like that, not many places know how difficult a Twin Turbo Subaru can be.

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I've been to S&J before, they said they're happy to do brakes, suspension, etc, etc. But nothing under the hood, mainly because it's an import, they told me to "take it to Graham West, get a ViPEC and come back" which is basically what im planning on doing.

When i spoke to ATS, he said that he can get any second hand parts i need, eg: WRX Extractors and up-pipe from S&J but he's not sure about sourcing an intercooler for a Gen 2.

I get the feeling S&J would of been more receptive if i owned a B4? That way they can get aus-spec parts and part numbers etc, plus it's good for an ECUTEK tune?

Would it be worth my time trying to source some WRX headers aswell? I was planning on taking the stock ones off and getting them cleaned/rebuilt while the single conversions going on, aswell new belts and hoses all-round (already blown a top hose with this thing in stock form, 14 year old hoses dont like stress it seems...), sparkplugs and maybe injectors while im at it.
I quiet like the idea of throwing on a GFB pully kit to splash some more colour into the engine bay too, the weight reductions just a bonus, but im already running a lighter extreme flywheel too, i figure anything that takes stress and inertia off the engine is a good thing?

Thanks for all the perspective guys, any more thoughts?

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Just to clarify, you're talking about going from the standard twin turbo setup to a single turbo setup, without a tune?

I'm reasonably sure you'll need WRX extractors and up-pipe to do the job.

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....*sigh* yeah, thats basically the plan, sad unless i can pull money out of nowhere for a Power FC or a ViPEC.

If it kills my car, you guys'll be the first to know, or you'll see a report on the news about some guy in adelaide loosing his shit and getting arrested... roll

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psynthetic wrote:

you'll see a report on the news about some guy in adelaide loosing his shit and getting arrested... roll
That happens a lot in Adelaide big_smile

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Bahahaha!
Seriously though, i havent driven a turbo charged car in 7 months, if we start it after the conversion and she dies, im gonna be devastated.

I can sort of understand the theory he's working on doing it without a tune. Because, as far as i know (please, god, correct me if im wrong) the ECU doesnt really handle the changeover in the system? Just the fuel mapping? The Changeover is handled by the BBOD and a few scattered solenoids, etc? Soooo.. hopefully.. if we put in a fast spooling turbo running at 14PSI, it'll be close enough to what was happening originally to work with the standard tune.

..But in that case, does the ECU usually lean out/richen the mix at changeover time, and if so, will it try to do that without the twins present, if so... that will probably be where it all goes horribley wrong?

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welcome to ozlib

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Good luck, but I don't see that working.

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Bahahaha!
Seriously though, i havent driven a turbo charged car in 7 months, if we start it after the conversion and she dies, im gonna be devastated.

I can sort of understand the theory he's working on doing it without a tune. Because, as far as i know (please, god, correct me if im wrong) the ECU doesnt really handle the changeover in the system? Just the fuel mapping? The Changeover is handled by the BBOD and a few scattered solenoids, etc? Soooo.. hopefully.. if we put in a fast spooling turbo running at 14PSI, it'll be close enough to what was happening originally to work with the standard tune.

..But in that case, does the ECU usually lean out/richen the mix at changeover time, and if so, will it try to do that without the twins present, if so... that will probably be where it all goes horribley wrong?
The ECU leans out AFR through change over, but this will not be an issue with a single turbo.
The TT ECU has two boost maps primary (pretransition)/secondary (post-transition) so depending on the single turbo used you may get boost stepping.
ECU controls change over mechanically via the solenoid box. The ECU will be expecting some feed back signals and if not received will generate error codes i.e. PDS (pressure differential sensor).
You can easily set you car up to run your existing turbos parallel (VF20 (BB/P16) &VF21 (BB/P18). This will give you the feel of what it will be like with the single VF34 (BB/P18).

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your car will run like a bag of shit without ecu change. i know because i have done the exact same thing. if your going to do it you will need to repin your ecu to suit wrx. Ats did the conversion on a friends gen 3 and left all the TT gear on the car still. they basically just swapped to wrx manifold and single turbo and the bill was 5K plus..  He had to take the car else where to get it finished and tuned..
I may have a power fc for sale shortly smile I might know someone who would be keen to do the conversion but he does take a while..

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i guess i need to seriously consider going back to S&J, or, just getting a halfcut so i get 4 pots brakes and a fresh gearbox.. but.. i dont wanna drive a hyundai anymore.. sad

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So whats exactly wrong with your car?? 4 pots are easy to come by normally 400-500 with rotors. try Rs liberty club. There is a guy in Qld that can repin your loom to suit the single turbo setup then you can just run a std WRX Ecu you or an Sti ecu which will get you on the road cheaper than a power fc Etc.. You could just keep you twins and boost the car up a bit get a better tmic, dumps etc

To do a single conversion you will need

single turbo
Wrx headers
wrx dump pipe + a trip to the exhaust shop
97 wrx under manifold intake
block up water gallery and oil feed to second turbo
Re pin ecu and run wrx ecu
remove all TT equip eg. solinod box, boost control, changeover pipes, vac lines etc
Wrx TMIC

possibly some other suff that i have forgot.

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At the moment im seriously considering bighting the bullet and putting it all off in favour of a WRX (pref STI) halfcut. Infact at the moment, seems the most likely outcome.

In the meantime im going to try and frankenstein my twins back into life, i'll post my woes with this beast on the other side of the weekend.

Watch this space cause i might have to buy up some members redundant twin turbo parts to make this happen.

thanks for being there for me through all this guys wink

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i've got a set of Vf 18/19 turbos for sale cheap, if you want them. Billsy on here is a TT guru and should be able to sort out any of you TT issues with ease. he lives in adelaide.

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hey dude off topic but im a b4 in adealaide, were abouts r u i wana organise a drive for ozlib ppl in adel

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