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Hey i drove past a servo the other day that had 100 octane petrol advertised and i was wondering if anyone on here had used it and noticed any real difference in economy and performance? and well if its worth even getting?

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Shell did have a Racing fuel available to the general public but phased it out awhile ago. The higher the octane rating, the more timing you can put into the engine when tuning. The only other benefit is its a cleaner burning fuel and acolder burning fuel. When it combusts, it explodes a bit harder so you might find the car revs a little quicker. Put some in your car and see if you notice any difference. It will not damage your cars motor.

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BP Ultimate 98 FTW.

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100 octane fuel is usually 98 (or even less) with ethanol mixed in to raise the octane I believe.
Personally I wouldn't use it - my car did some weird sh1t when I was running ethanol in it...

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If you research ethanol, most things say not to use in B4's, i'm not sure about other subies though.

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i wouldn't put ethanol in my lawn mower! there is a reason they can only use so much of it in petrol, because if they use any more bad **** happens. its basically watering down fuel with cheap ****. if it was any good they wouldn't limit the amount in fuel.

if you want 100 octane pour some octane booster in your tank. but as said above you wont notice a huge difference unless you tune the car for that octane

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There is a fuel on trial in melbourne called E85, its 86% ethonol but is 105 octane.

People are having great result using this fuel, stock evo9 with a 20g turbo making 290kw. You do need alot more fuel to make the same power, so where 800cc injectors are fine on 98 you will ned 1050s to run E85. Lots of high powered car are using it in America. Only issue with ethonol is it eats seals in your fuel systems abit fast, so is more maintainance but other than that it is fine to use, but your car has to be tuned for it.

The shell racing 100 octane, was also 105 had 5% ethonol.

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14nce;173767 wrote:

Only issue with ethonol is it eats seals in your fuel systems abit fast
in my opinion thats a perfect reason to avoid it

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provar;173772 wrote:

in my opinion thats a perfect reason to avoid it
it only eats them faster ordinary fuel also degrades them, its like putting better brake pads and tyres on your car. You get better performance but at the price of increased maintainance on related items, eg having to replace tyres and brake discs more frequently. Everything to do with cars is a compromise between price, performance and reliability.

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"e85 is not suitable for use in any other motor vehicles other than those designed specifically for e85, such as the new SAAB BioPower 9-3 and SAAB BioPower 9-5."

thats quoted directly from the United website (only seller of this fuel in aus)

i know its not the 100 octane the OP is talking about, but its wat 14nce mentioned.

heres the link if anyone is interested:

http://www.unitedpetroleum.com.au/media.asp?pgID=203

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Subaru Australia posted an article on their site some time ago recommending that Ethanol based fuels should not be used.

I'll never use it. My missus was putting ethanol into her car without knowing it and now it drives like a POS. Spluttering and coughing and very poor economy.
3 tanks of 98 and an injector clean, it's starting to come good.

Just stick to 98 I reckon...

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I basically said that in my post. Your car has to be tuned for it, as it takes alot more fuel to get correct AFR's. jumping from 760cc injectors to 1050cc injector for the same AFRs should be a pretty good indication of this. If you car is not tuned for this fuel it will go bang as it will run lean.

But having your car tuned for this fuel is the cheapest gain in power you will ever get.

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14nce;173783 wrote:


But having your car tuned for this fuel is the cheapest gain in power you will ever get.
I wouldnt say its the cheapest power gain you will get when you consider upgrading injectors, fuel pump etc. plus the cost of the tune.

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walts22;173784 wrote:

I wouldnt say its the cheapest power gain you will get when you consider upgrading injectors, fuel pump etc. plus the cost of the tune.
if you have plaaned on running E85 from the word go you would be purchasing apropriate injectors (price different between 760cc and 1050cc is about $70 for the 4), fuel pump (about $50 more) and the tune would be the same weather you are running 98 or E85, and most aftermarket ecus will run multiple maps so you can have both tuned at intial purchase ( at most $200 extra, when its only $650-800 to tune a aftermarket ecu from scratch)

so that $320 if you have planned it for a proven jump on an evo9 of 40kw. as the exhaust, turbo etc are also needed for the 98 tune at 250kw

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Mate no one on here has an evo 9! we are talking about running it on subaru's.

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doesnt matter what car its on, weather it be a v8, subaru or evo. at similar power levels and mods would see similar gains. the evo is just a car running e85 i am familar with

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I know it's not a Subi, but there are a couple of guys on SkylinesAustralia who have had fantastic success tuning their Skylines for E85. When I get mine back on the road I may head down that track... the only issue currently is availability... there are a few United servos which have it but since the 'Line is only my "weekend" car it would be a royal PITA to have to drive 30 minutes from home just to fill up!

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I used the 100 octane from United and i got worse economy and imo less power.

Wouldnt use it again.

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CRUISN;173845 wrote:

I used the 100 octane from United and i got worse economy and imo less power.

Wouldnt use it again.
I'd say that if you had it tuned for that particular petrol, you'd experience the benefits...

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Imo it is way under-tested, and the avaliability is average, and is difinately not worth changing a lot of things just to get it to run ok.

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the availabily isnt average, its non existant unless you live in teh right suburb in melbourne.

Undertested it isnt though. It is the fuel the v8 supercars are using this year, has been the main performance fuel, and redily available in the US for about 2years. Many people i know are going to run it instead of C16, as it is about 1/3 of the price with 90% of the power.

and ill say it again, ANY fuel containing ethonol WILL run like **** if it ISNT tuned for it. Although it has greater octane it takes more fuel to produce the same power, but has greater anti knock characteristics.

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CRUISN;173845 wrote:

I used the 100 octane from United and i got worse economy and imo less power.

Wouldnt use it again.
99% sure ethanol is similar to LPG in that it has a higher octane rating, but needs to burn more fuel to do the same job...

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XoN;173878 wrote:

99% sure ethanol is similar to LPG in that it has a higher octane rating, but needs to burn more fuel to do the same job...
Exactly. So a factory tune won't put in the extra fuel required for more power... now at E10 levels that's bugger all... but if you tried to run E85 on an engine which isn't tuned for it, it won't have enough fuel to burn properly and it will probably just stall.

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Samon;173880 wrote:

Exactly. So a factory tune won't put in the extra fuel required for more power... now at E10 levels that's bugger all... but if you tried to run E85 on an engine which isn't tuned for it, it won't have enough fuel to burn properly and it will probably just stall.
and if it did run not long and you would have new light weight pistons

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so that concludes, continue with whatever fuel you've been using and been happy with so far

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